"Bandit" (2bandit)
10/21/2020 at 09:21 • Filed to: None
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"Bandit" (2bandit)
10/21/2020 at 09:21 • Filed to: None | 1
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Illustration: GM
Knowing T esla it’ll probably launch sooner too lol
Tripper
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 09:26 |
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I don’t hate it! To your point, this will be a real vehicle. Still not convinced that the Cybertruck is/was more than a publicity stunt.
ibRAD
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 09:28 |
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I like it too. I can’t afford either, but Tesla isn’t a real car maker so I wouldn’t consider one if I could.
Tekamul
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 09:29 |
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Well, at least GM bothered to involve a designer for the exterior, unlike the Cybertruck.
But in Tesla’s defense, they used designers when planning the X and Y, so they had reason to try something different.
I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 09:30 |
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“Looks better than a Tesla” is a null statement
The Ghost of Oppo
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 09:32 |
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I don’t mind it except the grill looks like teeth
Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 09:36 |
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In what respect is Tesla not a real car maker?
ranwhenparked
> Tekamul
10/21/2020 at 09:37 |
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Also, the limitations of stainless steel made straight edges and flat panels easier to work with.
Ssfancyfresh
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 09:39 |
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I like it. If I had $100k to spend on something like this, I would consider it.
Looking at other $100k EV’s, this one stands out. Solid range, topless, AWD, truck bed..
I think it’s a home run. They will sell every single one to all the same people who bought the H2 and probably win some new buyers as well.
Win.
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ibRAD
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 09:42 |
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Here’s one example:
Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 09:43 |
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how is tesla not a real car maker? theyve sold hundreds of thousands of cars to the public
nermal
> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 09:55 |
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If it’s dumb but it works..... it’s not dumb.
Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 09:58 |
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So it’s going to happen. The new question is: Q: Will GM fuck this up? A: probably.
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ibRAD
> nermal
10/21/2020 at 09:59 |
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And if you get to the stage where you’re doing this? Then you’re not a real car company.
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> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 10:01 |
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Oh, I think we could take a deep dive into what “real car makers” in this country have put out over the years and find plenty of examples of shoddy workmanship.
Tesla’s success really bothers some people for reasons that are unclear to me. Their stock valuation at one point was higher than General Motors. The Almighty Market is a fine thing to decide everything except for when it isn’t.
I’ll never own a Tesla, though I drove a P85 once and 600 horsepower is crazy.
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nermal
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 10:01 |
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It’s an extension of what the Bolt was, with nothing really new learned . Technically very impressive, looks stupid and has poor design decisions, and will be ruined by the dealership experience.
People with $100k to drop on a new EV probably already own a Tesla at this point. They’re not gonna respond well to GM dealership shenanigans after the Tesla purchasing experience:
“I would like to buy a new Hummer”
“WHAT DO YOU WANT UR PAYMENT TO BE?”
“....”
“THE HUMMERS HAVE A 3 MONTHS WAIT . HERE’S A PICKUP WITH A 96 MONTH LOAN WITH A LOWER PAYMENT. WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO GET YOU TO TAKE IT HOME TODAY?” *finger guns*
Milky
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 10:02 |
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Im having a hard time getting over its body- lifted looks.
They went for it elsewhere design wise, like in the interior. But yea it looks like a hummer concept from a decade ago on top of a fuck ton of batteries.
way2blu does a rev update
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 10:03 |
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The CyberTruck is supposed to be a lot cheaper though, right? The Hummer should definitely bring better performance if it’s gonna cost 6 figures.
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ibRAD
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 10:08 |
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I’m sure you could, but I bet you one electric hummer that ‘solution’ would never leave the plant of one of the mainstream manufacturers.
I’m not a fan of valuing a company’s
merit based on their stock value either FWIW.
Future next gen S2000 owner
> Tripper
10/21/2020 at 10:08 |
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I’m pretty sure it was a publicly stunt. I’m operating under that assumption until proven otherwise.
CobraJoe
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 10:10 |
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I think it looks huge and bland.
I mean, it’s a big chunky looking truck, in a land full of big chunky looking trucks.
But this isn’t just big, it’s freakin massive.
I really don’t see why so many people are gushing over the design of this, and it’s insanely high priced.
They’re probably going to sell millions of it.
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ibRAD
> Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
10/21/2020 at 10:19 |
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So has Mattel.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 10:25 |
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The exuberance for Tesla by its customers — and investors — is as irrational as the negative energy from its detractors.
To the extent that the market assigns merit , then indeed, Tesla is high ly meritorious.
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> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 10:26 |
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> nermal
10/21/2020 at 10:28 |
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If they’d found some sort of composite material to use instead of molding from Home Depot, nobody would’ve thought much of that bit of so-called “engineering.” At the same time, if you or I had made that fix to our own car, we’d be posting a picture of it here and crowing about it.
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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 10:30 |
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last i checked i cant hop into my sons 1/64th scale raptor and drive it to the grocery store. but you can definitely drive a tesla to the grocery store
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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 10:31 |
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yeah i dont think ive ever seen a car company that was SO polarizing. you have people who think elon musk is both the second coming of jesus AND the anti-christ.
DipodomysDeserti
> nermal
10/21/2020 at 10:34 |
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Unless it’s a $50k product, then itis dumb.
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ibRAD
> Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
10/21/2020 at 10:37 |
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We’re taking the Raptor.
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ibRAD
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 10:48 |
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If they designed it from the get-go so that piece of moulding wasn’t required, THEN they’d be a real car maker.
Sovande
> nermal
10/21/2020 at 11:22 |
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That’s not true. This is a dumb solution on a finished product sold to the public. This is an expensive car, not a garage project. Make a bracket and lose the nosing from Home Depot and the plastic strapping. It’s laughable.
Cash Rewards
> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 11:23 |
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You are talking about the same company that cheaped out on ignition switches so much they killed people. Just because it doesn't make for a viral photo doesn't make it any less shoddy. I'm not defending tesla, but let's be realistic here.
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Cash Rewards
> Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer
10/21/2020 at 11:24 |
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It'll be a resounding success, and they'll cancel it immediately
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Sovande
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 11:25 |
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I’d love to see some other examples of mainstream car manufacturers using off-the-shelf stair nosing and some plastic strapping on a finished vehicle. Pre-production? Sure. But selling a car that way? At the price point they occupy? Give me a break. It’s stair nosing and a some plastic strapping. That’s how the crate the real parts came in would have been secured.
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ibRAD
> Cash Rewards
10/21/2020 at 11:26 |
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That is actually a perfect example of the stock value driving poor decisions. But I agree, that ignition switch shouldn’t have happened in the first place.
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Sovande
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 11:27 |
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That’s exactly right. If they had made a part for it instead of what they did, they would not be criticized. However....
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Cash Rewards
> nermal
10/21/2020 at 11:33 |
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It is dumb if there are cheaper/better/more effective/not publicly embarrassing ways of doing it
newnamesameme
> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 11:37 |
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Tesla is selling hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year. Pretty sure that is more than just vaporware and lands firmly in the “real”.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 11:47 |
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I thought markets assigned merit through profits?
BigBlock440
> Sovande
10/21/2020 at 11:57 |
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To be fair, that zip tie looks like stainless steel, not plastic. Readily available at Harbor Freight for $7/12-pk, conveniently right next door to Home Depot and Lowe’s locally.
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ibRAD
> newnamesameme
10/21/2020 at 11:58 |
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Sorry, by ‘real’ I meant ‘good’
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BigBlock440
> Cash Rewards
10/21/2020 at 12:00 |
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They didn’t cheap out on ignition switches, they intentionally designed them to be lighter so they’d feel more “luxurious” instead of designing them as a purse holder.
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Sovande
> BigBlock440
10/21/2020 at 12:00 |
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For $300 you can be a car builder too!
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newnamesameme
> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 12:15 |
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Fair!
Kar Wai Wong
> Bandit
10/21/2020 at 12:17 |
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I really like it, but I do have an irrational liking for Hummers though, no matter how garbage they are. I’m surprised at how close it looks like a new H3 or H2, heck I’m surprised GM brought back what may be the most hated major car brand of all time, but making it an EV was kinda genius. Interesting how they introduced the pickup first, which Hummers are much less associated with than SUVs. Really want to try to steal to steal some thunder from the Cybertruck/R1T/ F-150 EV etc...
Early impressions sure, but I really like the styling, except it looks pretty bad at this angle though, which is kinda the most important angle too... I think it’s t he bed that sticks out a bit too much in both length and width, and is it sagging?
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Cash Rewards
> BigBlock440
10/21/2020 at 12:38 |
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I’ve never heard that, so if you got an article showing that I’d love to see it.
An d they did cheap out, because they consciously made the decision to not recall the parts to save money, leading to more deaths, even while they changed to part internally
i86hotdogs
> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 14:05 |
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If you’re basing a company’s “ good” value off of a quick fix made with unorthodox materials, you clearly have not been in an assembly plant.
There were a lot of unorthodox methods and materials used to assemble Patriots and Compasses (Compii?) at FCA’s Belvidere plant. Too many to list.
Same with the engine plant I work at now.
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ibRAD
> i86hotdogs
10/21/2020 at 15:07 |
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I have
been in plenty of assembly plants. If you’re making ‘quick fixes’ on the assembly line then engineering fucked up. And if engineering doesn’t even know you made the changes then production fucked up too.
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BigBlock440
> Cash Rewards
10/21/2020 at 15:16 |
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https://journals.iium.edu.my/ejournal/index.php/iiumej/article/view/522/404
I’ll concede that not fixing it was due to cost, but the original design wasn’t.
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> Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
10/21/2020 at 16:07 |
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I made a huge ROI on a small amount of Tesla stock.
It’s fascinating. The mere mention triggers people.
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> DipodomysDeserti
10/21/2020 at 16:07 |
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Whose profits though?
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> ibRAD
10/21/2020 at 16:13 |
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Bear in mind also that the basic Model 3 is what, $40k? If you can even get a basic one? Imagine getting home with your new $40-150k car and raising the bonnet and finding that. Yikes.
But like Nermal says, what if it works ? Would one of these irrationally exuberant buyers want their car sooner with the molding, or later without ?
“Do what you gotta do to get the product out the door! ” is what I imagine someone said.
As for whether that makes Tesla unreal , I think no further than Ford’s Thick Film Ignition. Wait: doesn’t Ford make the Raptor...? *winks*
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> Sovande
10/21/2020 at 16:15 |
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That’s steel strapping. But no: they pass off Thick Film Ignition* , instead, that does not work. For example.
*Ford Tempo
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DipodomysDeserti
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 16:15 |
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In a traditional, liberal economy, the company making the products.
W e now find ourself in a bizarre, Monopoly money based economy, banks and investors who don’t make or really do anyth ing.
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> BigBlock440
10/21/2020 at 16:17 |
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I don’t think it’s stainless, but “blue” from some class of heat treating.
It’s fascinating how Tesla triggers people. And I don’t mean that as a smash on either of these fine Oppo correspondents. It just fascinates me.
Do you think there are any Teslas with Trumperstickers on them? I tend to think not very many.
In any event, I got a yuuuge ROI on the little bit of Tesla stock that I purchased the week they went public.
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> DipodomysDeserti
10/21/2020 at 16:21 |
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But what about return to investors?
When people say Tesla isn’t a real car company, are the buyers real automobile consumers? It’s all very disruptive, fair to say?
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DipodomysDeserti
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 16:27 |
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If the company isn’t making a profit, then what is being “returned”? It’s monopoly money.
I don’t have a comment what makes a car company real or not. They seem to be a car company with poorly assembled products.
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Cash Rewards
> BigBlock440
10/21/2020 at 16:29 |
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Huh, I had never heard that part of it. Odd, considering it was all chevy and saturn, but not caddy
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Sovande
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 16:48 |
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Fi rst time I’ve heard the Ford Tempo compared with a Tesla, they hardly seem to be in the same class of automobile, or century, for that matter , but you’ve got my attention.
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> DipodomysDeserti
10/21/2020 at 16:49 |
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I bought some of their stock and made a yuuuuge ROI.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/21/2020 at 17:07 |
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Good on you, no hate from me.
On a macro level, I do think there are long term implications of an economy based on company stock prices rather than actual profitability . Reminds me of how Trump runs things . All show, no go, but if you convince enough people to invest, you can ride that wave for a while...until you can’t.
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> Sovande
10/21/2020 at 17:23 |
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I'm not really comparing the tempo to the Tesla, but rather, the engineering piece of a particular feature. Ford foisted the TFI which was a constant and dreadful fail and supposedly engineered and Ford would be considered a real car company. So that's all I'm saying. You can have the molding from home Depot for $2.50 or a thoroughly supposedly engineered ignition for however much and I just think it makes an interesting comparison. I'm sure there are some much more recent debacles of engineering like deadly airbags or something else that come from supposedly real automobile manufacturers. I guess it's some level, I'm trying to be a little bit disruptive. I think if I had bought a Tesla and it had that wood molding solution I'd be back at the dealership saying okay guys obviously this is temporary, what's your plan?
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> DipodomysDeserti
10/21/2020 at 18:19 |
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And people riding that wave become dangerous ly obtuse.
I think Tesla is a REAL car company because they make CARS and people DRIVE them. Tessla are also extremely dis ruptive and non- traditional. And the other oppo’s point is a valid one, that if GM or Ford shipped a car held together with a steel packing strap and some corner molding from Home Despot, there’d be hell to pay.